Listening to The Silence

Sound is where there is one who interpret it as sound. No one, no sound!

Published on October 17, 2004 By EricBright In Philosophy

When we look, we see what we tend to see. When we listen, we hear what we expect to hear. When we turn off our presumptions, we do not see and hear anything, anymore. Everything looks the same. This is the unity. The only thing that can make this turn-off happen, is death. Then, we look, but we do not see anything ... we listen, but we do not hear ... because ... we are unified ...

Comments

Capi Crimini

on Oct 17, 2004

I think you a bit off there. of course humans have presumptions. But death does not cure the presumtion. To have a presumtion we must ahve a view. In death there is not a view or there is a view., depending on faith. Either way death does not cure the presumtions. Consider it this way.

You say the answer in your own post. WE LISTEN, but we do not hear. You see. to have no presumtion you must hear but not presume. which would take an omnipotent viewpoint. We have the same presumtion point in death as in life. We do not presume anything about something we do not know. I cannot presume anything about the family in mongolia right next to the road ten miles east of the river because I do not know them. Now that I mentioned them I have created a presumtion that they are poor. But before I mentioned them I did not know. Those moments before I mentioned them were presumtionless. The same as that of death. Hence the cliche` inorance is bliss. But we must be careful of cliche's. Consider knowledge is power. That is another topic though.

My point is. In death we have the same ability of presumtion as that of life. The glory or pain of life is that we have the ability to have the ability to presume.

Of course since you mentioned death I am trying to respond carefully to try and suit all views, this implausibility can be confusing. I do not understand the unification of death. According to science we are all from one singulatiry. We may or may not go back to that singularity and may or may not have begun as that singulatrity. But at one point we were all one singularity. According to our universe that would be perfection. Is that what you are talking about?

To discuss this you need to first define death.

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One last thing. from reading your subtitle. I'm assuming your following the philosophy that nothing exists until it is percieved?

Thank you

~capi crimm
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EricBright

on Oct 18, 2004

... Of course since you mentioned death I am trying to respond carefully to try and suit all views, this implausibility can be confusing. I do not understand the unification of death. According to science we are all from one singulatiry. We may or may not go back to that singularity and may or may not have begun as that singulatrity. But at one point we were all one singularity. According to our universe that would be perfection. Is that what you are talking about?

To discuss this you need to first define death.

One last thing. from reading your subtitle. I'm assuming your following the philosophy that nothing exists until it is percieved?

~capi crimm

Thank you Capi. I really appreciate your attention towards the issue. First of all, let me say than I am not going to fall into 'Solipsism.' I am more to see 'Axioms as the Basis for All Understanding.'
I think it would be helpfull to know a little about some backgrounds in my mind that lead me to write such a thing.

Initially, the following was what exactly I wanted to say in another words:

"It is the theory which determines what we can observe." Albert Einstein

In addition, I'd thought of these, when I was writing my short article,

- "The ends of inquiry control the legitimacy of inferences." Isaac Levi

- We are unified with our univers, always. However, we often do not realize this.

- Actualy, when I die, there is no 'I' anymore to listen or watch somthing. I was just jocking when I said, "... Then [when we die], we look, but we do not see anything ... we listen, but we do not hear... ." Otherwise it is clearly a logical contradicton in my words.

- Also, I was thinking of the Bishop Barkeley's words when he says, "To be is to be perceived."

- "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche

- "There are many kinds of eyes. Even the sphinx has eyes—and consequently there are many kinds of "truths," and consequently there is no truth." Friedrich Nietzsche

- As Karl Popper says in his 'Objective Knowledg,' we cannot find any sense organ, unless it has a build in predicate theory.

- These all come together with what Wittgenestein says in 'On Certainty,' "(2.) From its seeming to me -or to everyone- to be so, it doesn't follow that it is so."

- Finally, while the whole idea was about Cognition , the Ontology noation is an unintended consequence of the issue I was talking about, which is inevitably emerged. Ergo, I implicitly repeated what Epicurus says, "Death, the most dreaded of evils, is therefore of no concern to us; for while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist."

Further discussions on this ancient issue will be warmly welcomed.

Brightest wishes,
Eric Bright

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